I wanted to see what the community thinks of the CEH course. I am getting some things out of it, but I think too much of it is discussion and not enough technical aspects. I am only on Footprinting part 2, but at this level we should be heavily diving into hardcore techniques and not extended discussion. What does everyone else think of the course so far? I am hoping that the forensics course coming up with give us heavy technical skills. One example I have about my comment is this extended discussion on Whois.com. It is good to mention it, but the episode it over discussing what it does.
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Hi James I thought the course was great Sean and Mike really did a great job presenting all the different areas. I also got a lot of great tips from fellow classmates and some very useful links. I really like being able to hop on ITPRO.TV whenever I want to continue learning things even old stuff I may have forgotten. And the Roku channel is really cool too!
You know, I really enjoyed the course. Sean and Mike really hit on the key points of the test. However, I also feel like we could have touched on some application, and ran through some hands on processes.
Either way, I learned a lot. So I can't really complain.
Yea, I didn't mean to come across wrong. I just know linux tools that you can use for technical information when footprinting and was really looking for skills in kali or back track, but I am just getting started in the material so my tune might change. Certainly my tone :/
Mike and Sean did a great job with the course material for the CEH exam, keeping it enjoyable and informative simultaneously. Perhaps the labs might offer more in-depth options for learning the tools and techniques of actual pen testing scenarios.
I am enjoying the course as well. I like the informal discussion format; a "just the facts" approach would probably be a bit dry. I'd never used Kali before, but loaded it on a flash drive so I could try it out. There's a lot there! A Kali Linux course would be nice, although very different from a CEH exam course. Once I get through the CEH course I'll go through the tools one by one and teach myself how they work. CEH seems to be more about the overall process of ethical hacking than experience with actual tools. At least that's what I'm getting out of it (possibly because I'm already familiar with the technical aspects).
But I had to laugh when Mike said "Don't try this at home". I don't know where else to try it!
So far my experience with Kali has been on a tinkering level. Only recently.... actually, after the CEH course, has the distro really opened up to me. I was able to get Nethunter working on my Nexus 7 2012 (finally) with only some minor issues (kernel wasn't flashing correctly).
I'm still at the Scanning portion of my self study, and I've learned some very net stuff. However, I do feel like some of the wireless cracks are above my head (Yes, I'm attacking my home equipment, and some resources at work that my boss is letting me tackle).. I'm not really sure what's happening during Wifite attacks. I feel like I should know WHY something fails, to me, that's just as important as understanding why something works. So I feel very script-kiddie-ish at the moment :(
Personally I both enjoyed it and got something out of it. I think it's impossible to fit everything in to the detail level that we'd perhaps like within the timescale. Also, for me, one of the strengths of the itpro.tv offering compared with others IS the discussion, humour and sharing of real world experiences rather than just the hands on stuff which you can already get easily on the internet (e.g. for in-depth wireless the security tube megaprimer is truly excellent). As has already been mentioned, I think those of us who attended live got added benefit as they were able to answer our questions in the breaks and the sharing with other students throughout was excellent and I learned a lot of new resources.
Sean did say up front that whilst he would mention tools, the course was about sharing a methodology for penetration testing rather than going into depth with the tools which we're encouraged to get and play with in order to develop some practical experience.
I can't comment on the suitability of this offering in terms of preparation for the exam as I haven't taken it and am not intending to do so in the near future as I need to develop that practical experience of the tools in my vlab. However, given how well the format and approach has worked for other certifications + the fact that both Mike and Sean have their CEH - I'd like to think that they are confident that they conveyed the necessary material to help people pass the exam.
It's worth bearing in mind that this is an entry level penetration testing certificate. For something more advanced (i.e. actually testing your pentest skills) you'd be looking at those from Offensive Security instead of EC Council. In the UK to work as a pen tester, you'd be looking at CREST examinations and potentially working with an accredited CHECK.provider. There is also the Tiger scheme but I'd say that's somewhere between CEH and CREST.
I've wittered on a little longer than I meant to, dinner calls!
I would like to echo quite a bit that has already been stated here. I was only able to catch one broadcast live, and enjoyed watching the discussion online as well as the actual lesson. The course surprised me with both how much I already knew and with how much I didn't know. That tells me it was the perfect class for me. This being said, I would be no where near ready to take the exam now, but will probably take it eventually.
Also, I said it in that specific thread already, but I must thank Michela once again for compiling the links as she did. That was a tremendous help. There were many times that it was mentioned that Mike was putting links in the discussion, but I have not tracked down a Q&A thread with those in there yet.
Thanks again for the course.